tennessee septic license test

• kathy garver clearcaptions commercial
• December 11, 2022

I have no idea what legal recourse you may have to continue to enjoy the use of your property. What does he mean by preliminary perc test? Once a permit is granted, it is only valid until (Ground Water Protection Program) Chapter. Thank you so much for the info. Depending on the zoning and the availability of public water and sewer, one might be able to put as many as 12 houses on that land or maybe only the one. A soil scientist, registered in Tennessee, is the only person who can make the map and determine the soil type. The other option is to talk with a civil engineer to see if there is the potential for an alternative system, like a sand filter or constructed wetlands or an LPP system or whatever. Thanks. The only way to know is to contact the Dept. Yet, a three bedroom home was built. We were hoping to build a three bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom. Our slope was such that the effluent ran off rather than pool, but it was still soggy and muddy. Im sure youve provided invaluable help to everyone here. Since land isnt in my name, could my mother (land is in her name) have the perc test done with out any type of building permit? How do we do this? We were never told we would be responsible for this at any point. They collected the effluent from all of a subdivision and use a central drain field. You dont have to clear for the perc testing, you just need to know where you want to build so you are not mapping the whole property and not mapping something too far away from your site. If there is no permit on file, it is likely that you will have to have the existing system inspected. You wont know that until you have a soil map done. I read this entire blog, top to bottom. We are under contract for a 21 acre lot in Morgan County. How can I find info on still being able to use the system? Is a physical perk test legally performed anymore in the state of Tennessee or is it just a Soil Scientists report that shows the soils at the location from soil web survey website? In any case, it is possible to get this taken care of. Any suggestions? Hope this makes sense. Thank you, When you say land that doesnt perc I assume that there was a place that was tested and failed. *We dont know where exactly we want to build, just somewhere on the 3 acres. We are out of the country trying to navigate all this in hopes to have a home built to come back to in the next 1.5 years. Thank you. Our land was mined for phosphorus decades ago. Of course, this assumes there has been no change to the property. Will we need a perc test? The lines were drained, drainline for gutters moved, and 2 overflow tanks added. He had the whole seventeen acres to choose from, with at least three different soil types. Can you recommend a soil scientist near the Tazewell area? As for disturbing the soil, I would like to think that as long as you are not changing anything below a foot deep, you would be ok. It really helps! I dont believe 50-75 minutes per inch absorption rate soil even requires individual perc tests. 3. Can we have the test done prior to it being deeded in our name and prior to having a building permit? If you have a wetland on your property, it would likely be under the purview of the Tennessee Department of Environmental Conservation. I dont know where to turn next. There are lots of reasons that the entire lot may not have been perced. In the end, it will come to the health department to make a determination. I may be wrong though. We are looking to buy land in DeKalb County TN which has 22 acres with one 2BR house already on the property. Quick Question: If the land has a STEP system available, do you still need a perc test? I am currently looking to buy an acre privately for a homesite in Macon county. Hopefully you have time for another. Do we need to have it surveyed prior to a perc? If the soil map you have is that, then you are likely good to go. Is it significantly more costly than a regular system? All the reserve must have is suitable soil. As we are planning on making an offer with closing in 60 days but I think all tgat stuff is supposed to be figured out in more like 50 days. Now, it may have been functional for a smaller house, but when you increase the number of bedrooms, you theoretically increase the number of users (and they have to design using the legal max number of people in the household like 2 people per bedroom). The Environmental Health Department for your county is about your only option (short of a civil engineer and lots of money). It is their land. I dont know of any soil scientists that work that area, but your local department of environmental health should have a list. Im looking at a property on a zone AE flood plain along the Tn. First, a qualified geologist or civil engineer surveys the site, runs a percolation test (a test to determine suitability of the soil), and designs the system. Both of these should be available at the local Dept. If it is because you cannot put a septic system on it, then you would likely not be able to put anything that requires you provide a restroom. Not exceptionally expensive but more costly than if you didnt have to have one. Is having a high intensity map made a costly proposition? We have 3 plots under one deed. Either way, you only need a perc test if the soils are getting pretty close to not being able to support a septic system. See above, but I would have to wonder why you cannot build. It seems odd that this one property would not be approved. However, he never even showed up until after the crops were harvested. As far as I know, you can pump your effluent as far as you want. And would it be best if we can be there to at least meet the person doing the testing? Im looking at buying a property and they have already performed a perc test. Surrounded by other homes with septic. I had a friend that had worked with a soil scientist performing perc tests. Also, there may be a reason that the other area was not mapped. I suppose the state could, if they send in another soil scientist. So not much water is used. There are several steps and those will depend on how you want to deal with this. Thanks again. If I am understanding, you had the property mapped and the health department said it only approved for a 2-bedroom residence. Front of lot DeC Decauter with 5 to 15 % slopes. Description. On the land, the TVA has an easement for powerlines and a small wetlands area. In addition, to obtain the license, the contractor must achieve a pass mark of at least 70% on a written or oral test issued by the Department. After looking at the GIS maps and the soil levels its interesting to me that the primary and secondary sites were done in the very back of the property that has soil type BaC, which seems not great for septic systems. I called health dept and they looked up the three addresses for the parcels of property and told me they were surveyed in 2003 and found not approved.I believe because of rock issues? After? Depending on the amount of water left in the hole will govern how the process is supposed to work. I am not sure what that stands for either. My question here is, can the state come back after my soil scientist passed me, and fail the site? I would try them first to see what they say. Your first step should be to talk to a surveyor and have them look over your options. I found the soil map and was curious if TrC2 soil could possibly perc for a 3 BR house or would it be a waste of time and money, requiring multiple test sites? Can just anyone turn the land and prepare it for Perc or does it have to be a contractor or engineer which are very costly? OF THE TENNESSEE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION DIVISION OF WATER RESOURCES 0400-48-01 As I recall, a perc test is permanent, at least in Tennessee. I would also suggest contacting your building codes department to ensure this is even legal in your area. If your site has a valid soil map of the area you want to install, I would assume you could appeal the local decision through the State. You would need to contact a civil engineer. 865-215-5200. As to the last segment when you said, House was built in 1980s, the field lines are in the neighbors yard and were never surveyed properly when the property was divided and sold. I dont mind paying an engineer to retest if that would do any good in getting an approval or confirming that the entire property is not suitable. If you are not happy with the fee he is asking, you are more than welcome to hire someone else. We wanted to build a new home on the lower section of our property and sale our current house. As for the number of systems/building/habitable stuctures/etc This will be a mixed issue. All nasty and undesireable. It really doesnt matter how many people live in a house, they look at it from its potential use rather than its planned use. You just need to go to the Department of Environmental Health for Warren County and see what she had done. Contractors of septic systems require a license which is issued by the Commissioner of the Department of I had no idea about perc tests before I started researching buying property in Tn 3 years ago. What does that mean? But, researching online I see that there are several options for septic systems out there. The Site Address would be by street name only, do not enter the street number. I recently purchased 5.50 acres of land in Christiana (Rutherford County). All I have is a sketch from the soil consultant. Next step is an alternative system. I guess my question is: Who do we need to contact to light a fire under the guy? Before you decide where you want the house, you need to talk with Environmental Health. He had things arranged to have the house framed and dried-in before winter, but thats obviously not gonna happen. We are trying to decide which way to proceed- what are your thoughts? There are a multitude of soil types in Tennessee (and around the globe). of Environmental Health. So, I suggest contacting your local civil engineers to see if they do anything like it. What do you think is the best approach to this? We had a survey done of the land and he staked areas in the LoA on his soils map. Middle section FuD Fullerton with 15-30% slopes. I now have a soil map from a soil scientist from the approved list and the inspector came out and denied the area that was mapped and is saying I have to put the system in a very difficult location that will require a complicated pump system. Are there different stipulation for commercial vs. residential? We just purchased 45 acres on the highland rim in Maury. I honestly dont know. (S)he should be familiar with it and would know where to get the needed usable land for a system. In fact, in risky soils, it is best to have it done before you divide so that you dont end up redividing it. This Page Last Updated: August 13, 2020 at 12:44 PM, Regulations to Govern Subsurface Sewage Disposal Systems, Licensed Septic System Installers & Septic Tank Pumpers. I believe that the number of feet of drain field line is determined by the number of bedrooms and not the number of baths. My husband said he was there when his dad put it in (he is 41) and he knows it is a huge tank and the lines are all through the front yard. It is a fairly detailed map showing the zones of different soil types for each section of the property. The property survey shows that it perked for 3/2. I have a nephew that is very interested and there seems to be a real need in our area. of Environmental Health. How do you build a drain field in an area that was previously wooded? I gave my son and his wife seventeen acres of farmland in Robertson County. Is this necessary in west TN or is it assumed the land is buildable / If a soil engineer is recommended do you know someone? This map is stating that you have the ability to install a system but it will need to go to the county health department for consideration to establish how large a home is needed. I keep seeing some of the comments about a soil map? If the soil is rocky, I had been known to charge more for the test (only because it was difficult to dig). It may be possible, but it will depend on if there is any un-mapped, usable land in your lot. Thanks! Unfortunately, I no longer do perc tests. I am looking to purchase 5 acres in Cheatham County. The surveyors said i needed to contact a soil scientist first. Is a high intensity soil map required before even having a perc test done? The land that [our] field line[s] sit on was sold illegally. It is possible to sell land with encroachments on it. Do we wait for the perc test or can we apply for a permit on the TDEC website for the septic system now? Im looking at buying some property and building on it in 2-4 yrs. This blog is incredibly insightful and thank you for taking time to respond. Are outhouses or composting toilets and option in Tennessee? Hello, You can talk to the local Department of Environmental Health, but I am going to guess that no one has had that done before at least, not done and submitted to planning. Do I have to have the land cleared before having the perc testing done? If one doesnt think it can be done, call another. You will have to have a soil map. Contact your local environmental health department and get a list of soil scientists that work in your area. Its quite a large lot as where all adjacent neighbors (quite close to the property lines on two sides) have built some very large homes (including a 12k sq foot castle of a home just next door). I bought a house in Wilson County on 12 acres. They are going to deed us an acre to build on. Just going off ppl having trouble getting one in places. I talked to a soil scientist the other day and it seems we (Tennessee) are down to 45 working soil scientists for the entire state. And eventually, the basement was finished out with another bedroom and bathroom added. Your limitation would be on distance and cost. Yes, that is basically true. Ive heard of the mound system. My son applied for a septic permit in July, and we destroyed an acre of corn to allow for the inspection. If the permit is expired, you will need to get a new one. If they dont, call a local engineering firm. Everyone seems baffled of where the water is coming from. If the available soil is limit or if you only want a single drain field, you could pump the effluent to it from wherever is feasible (pump strength, line length, etc). If you are not in the same area, you may need a separate soil map for each system. Unfortunately, I do not know of any soil scientists in that area. A permit wont fail. Thanks! We are looking at buying property and the seller said the perc site has been registered, and according to the plat the test was done in 2017. Your next step is to contact the Dept. Then the test is actually done. They said you can bring soil init has to be original and undisturbed. If your drain field is above the septic tank, you may have to have a secondary tank with a pump in it. As for reporting the Williamson County Department of Environmental Health (I assume that is who you are speaking of), the only recourses I know of is to get in touch with the Tennessee Department of Environmental Conservation (TDEC) and talk with them or you can contact the County Mayor or the Attorney General for the State of Tennessee. What would happen if you built the garage/shop/apartment and then couldnt install a bathroom/kitchen because you havent the soil to dispose of the wastewater? Thanks for your thoughts. Do you see this as a good alternative for a lot that does not perk for a regular in ground septic? Help! It is possible that you could have either a community drain field or your effluent is heading to a sewage treatment plant of some sort. Please let me know how much the test is and how soon your availability will be? I hate to go against nature, but your husband is correct. Im very confused, and not just by my strokes. The one house site on it says 60mpi We are so confused as to where to go next and what has to be started over. Thank you for your quick and helpful response. In the end, it is the job of Environmental Health to determine system size, not the soil scientist. We would really like to have something that says we percd for more than 2 bedrooms since our current house plan has 3 bedrooms. I am not familiar enough with Rhea county to know what they do and dont like. I know that several people that had failed perc tests in Lake Tansi have ended up using a Wisconsin Mound above ground septic system to build their houses. We have had a soil map done on a lake lot in E TN and have been told that it is Capshaw and will not perc. This is what a perc test is used to ascertain. Im wondering what the actual rule is on that. (Not sure if this is true or not yet). Any suggestions from you ? I wish I could help more. Will that matter? As far as I know, you cannot alter the land to make it more suitable for subsurface disposal and if you did, it would have to sit, untouched, for a very long time (7-20 years). Speak to the Department of Environmental Health. It is quite common to redo a soil permit to get more bedrooms. Something doesnt match up. We had hoped to buy 100 acers in E. TN and put cabins but it seems that a lot of people got the same memo and now land has tripled. I am starting to get the feeling that this is going to be a struggle when we do buy land in a couple of years but I hope things (and prices) settle down. I just want the right information! 1,who keeps the original map 2,there seems to be 4 spots that are marked how do we make sense of them. There are too many factors to be able to accurately answer that question. From what Ive read above it appears good for septic. I need to find out if we need a perc test. Hello, I inherited land with not house in Tehachapi California . These may need to be perc tested, depending on the soil type. The representative at the Williamson County Sewer Department who Ive been working with for the past 3 years and getting this process to this point stated I simply dont know I dont know what your next processes' Seriously???? He stated he did not know when he would be able to come, that was nearly 6 weeks ago. The soil survey map I have is from AcreValue so I dont know if it is a high intensity map or not. So, you would need to expand the drainfield (assuming it wasnt overdesigned to begin with). This is a difficult one. My suggestion would be to contact a soil scientist and have them look at your land to see if you can do the expanded system and reserve area. You would need to talk to an attorney about that. Thank you. You can look up the procedure (here is one place) and run a few of your own. You have to have adequate soils for each system. I receive that call every so often. My son bought 3 acres in coffee county that came with a perc I am frustrated and so upset due to the fact our loan will have to paid back in 6 months and still no house, just a flat pile of dirt and gravel. Aside from the calling the slim scientist, is there anything else that needs to be done on our end prior to this? There are many options, but it will all depend on what your person is willing to design. Permitting for: Installation of subsurface sewage disposal (septic) system on your property Repair to an existing faulty system Septic Installer, Pumper and Land Disposal Permits Permitting for the following septic related activities: Installing, altering, extending ir repairing a septic system There are 2 soil sites showing on the plat. That soils engineer is too busy to recheck it, but he says that for a 4-bedroom home our property should have 12,000 square feet of drainage area. Me and my wife just bought 28.8 acres in stewart co and have paid for the perc test and are waiting on the inspector to come do it. If it wasnt part of the subdivision then it isnt party to the restrictions, no matter the reason for it not being so. However, without a licensed soil scientist or an engineer contradicting your licensed soil scientist, then I doubt they would or could fail the area. You cannot retest a failing hole. Where does the septic goes and field lines go? You may need to hire a structural engineer to ascertain the usability of the land. https://www.tn.gov/environment/permit-permits/water-permits1/septic-systems-permits/ssp/permit-water-septic-system-construction-permit.html and apparently apply for a permit (this part is new to me). Is our inspector in Robertson County just lazy, or is that all a septic inspection is? The house was originally built in the 50s when no codes or standards were quite in place. Is this sufficient time. Thank you for your assistance? 2. And I know tobacco doesnt grow on soil with poor internal drainage. Thank you. We have been notified by the State of Tennessee effective immediately that our department can no longer accept applications and payment for septic permits, subdivision evaluations, water samples, inspection letters, or any other type of services offered thru the Water Resources Services Department. We are soon getting a perc for a septic use and how many we can have (developing purposes). So we complied by destroying another acre of nice corn. Can we have water on the property, but as long as there is no plumbing in the house its still considered a dry dwelling? You can grant easements as needed, but they then become issues if one of you decides to sell and the others dont like their new neighbors. ?thank you. Does that tell if the land has been perked? My wife and I are considering the purchase of a home on 5.88 acres that has a septic system and pproved for 3 beds. One more question I have searched for environmental health department in White county, but it only shows the health dept. Dickson silt loam is the soil type. We want to parcel off 5 acres for our son but need to determine whether it will perk for another home. There are houses in our subdivision already so I do know septics work out there, but since I live in Nevada atm I was wondering what the average requirement for square feet per bedroom are just to have an idea on the septic leach field system. If so what type of actions can I take to resolve this issue seeing as it is preexisting from the builder/previous owner. The state law requires a high-intensity soil map to get a septic permit. You would need to talk to the Department of Environmental Health to see if any other area is suitable. Correction: I cannot build a house on my land. The soil engineer who did the soil map knows nothing about aerobic systems. If that exists and ties into the existing system, it doesnt matter what you call it, it will need to be evaluated. It says Bradyville 0-5% slopes, Fill, some triangles, I.P and Bradyville 75 mpi to 24, 0-5% slopes. You would need to talk to the soil scientist who made the map. Are there any other options? We found that the runoff from the uphill neighbor was saturating the system. If the soil type is better than 75 mpi, then there is no required perc test. Your best option is to reach out to an engineer in your area that works with alternate systems. You will receive a score and a report at the conclusion of your test showing you the questions correct and incorrect. Thank you. During? Contact your soil scientist and have them explain to you why they cannot find suitable land for the reserve area. I assume that the county owns the tertiary treatment site (drain field) which means you do not have to have a perc test. Thing is, the Health Department inspected and approved the install. Septic system records for most Tennessee counties to be available online. But no matter the system, I believe an engineer is required once you move from a conventional subsurface system. Also, when you say we have to have room for a reserve system.but not necessarily convenientdoes that mean if the second area is 1000ft away, we are still ok? The document is a hand-drawn page with notes am [?] You may get a jump start on that by contacting the local Environmental Health department to see if they know of any engineers in your area that do these sorts of systems. We own a little over an acre in Rutherford County. There has to be a way you are able to remove me from that service? I had 5 acres but it was a lot of clay and wouldnt perc. It is cesspool, still attached to a home I inherited. Ive been looking over your forum and appreciate all the info. That is bass awkards. They have sold their house, and they are living in a camper with their little three-year-old daughter with Down Syndrome. As for perc testing, that is only needed if the soil is poor. No matter, if you are in possession of a parcel that cannot support a conventional sub-surface disposal system and you still want to build, you can hire an engineer to design something for you. The land is in Bedford County. I bought a 4 acre lot in Humphreys county west of Dickson. (We just noticed this recently.) You will want to find a localish engineer and call. There are no mapping standards so you are at the mercy of the cartographer as to what means what. I have High Intensity Soil Map for the land that I am interested in Smyrna. Important: Please call 855-868-1882 to speak to a Customer Service Representative. This is not suitable for a drain field. If that is the case, and you have exhausted all potential septic sites, then there is nothing a normal person can do. Hi Timothy, I am looking at buying a completely wooded 5 acre lot to build a house on. Please call our office to inquire about permit needs. In some areas of the country the water can be reused for irrigation and such. Going to try to find the county environmental department, no listing on county website! The property is wooded. I can say that if your lot is on the upslope, then it is likely that they laid out the system with the intention of doing a full gravity system. I had another Realtor tell me on 30+ acre property in Dicksonyou didnt need a perc test, you could tell the county what you wanna build and they just give you permit, and that anything over 5acres didnt need a perc test?? An engineer can likely help you with the options of alternative sewer systems. And wouldnt the process of clearing out a wooded area disturb the soil? My husband and I own 2 1 1/2 acre lots side by side in (Millington) Shelby County TN. Depending on the distance, you may still need a pump, but generally speaking, not pumping is much cheaper than pumping. JAVASCRIPT IS DISABLED. If you have the high-intensity soil map, take it in and talk with the people responsible for laying out the system and see what they have to say. The ultimate question is if we built a garage with a bedroom and bathroom above it on a separate part of the property from our house, is there any reason a second or third septic system couldnt be installed to support that building on a different part of the property (assuming the soil could support it)? We are looking at purchasing 7 acres that was auctioned off several years so. Assuming you have a soil map (which it sounds like you do), then you are good. Thanks so much, great threadus newbies to raw land greatly appreciate it!! However, you cannot use land that has been disturbed or is much over a 30% slope. This is a question for the Department of Environmental Health. (Transferred from 1200-01-06) So when we put a a trailer out there will it say on paper only 2 bedroom or will it say passed or failed and we put a bigger trailer if we want to. Was that the case? We dont do perc tests, but all the surveyors in this area are more than 2 months behind. Is this a practice that is used in Tn? Crazy times. Map shows front flat area and some slope mapped, further slope to water unmapped. This adds to the up-front cost. Thank you. A cursory review should be sufficient to give you a maybe vs a not-at-all. 2. You must apply online at tdec.tn.gov/septic. Not as long as the land has not been altered. There are some other, alternative systems that may be possible. No hard rock 72 below surface. On the attached map, there is only one site on the property. You have a couple of things you have brought up. I am not familiar with a STEP system. 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